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"Karatsu was made by ceramic clay produced using sandstone, not clay."In this "Sakazukino Special Edition", we will arrive at the lost Karatsu manufacturing method and send a roundtable discussion with the revived innovators and their successors.

The charm of Karatsu ware

Murata: Thank you for today.The usual teacher Katsumi is a servant of Karatsu's cup (laughs) (laughs).Nice to meet you everyone!

Yano: Then, why don't you pour Yoshino?It's pretty good.

Murata: Did you have your finger?(Laughs) It was amazing at the last time Shirasu (Shinya).Such a big mouth, because I was doing this.

Yano: That ’s so exciting way to pour, right?(smile)

Murata: That's right (laughs).Still, it's luxurious.You can drink here from the daytime.Let's get started.First of all, what is the charm of Karatsu ware for writers?I would like to hear from Mr. Yamamoto because I met Yamamoto.

Yamamoto: I wasn't originally interested.At first, Yano came early in the morning when he was making tableware.

Yano: How many years ago?

Yamamoto: That was just when Yano was addicted to Karatsu.

Yano: Is it 15 or 6 years ago, even if you graduate (Arita Ceramics University)?

Murata: Did you go to Arita Town to find a material for ceramic clay?

Yamamoto: Like the material, there is a kiln site around us.

Murata: Oh, I see.

Yamamoto: Suddenly, then, at that time, it was like a go.I'm not interested in old ones.

Yano: Ryohei was doing white porcelain."I'm falling in front of my house, and I'm not interested in it."That's why I like "Is there a pottery or true?" (Laughs).

Yamamoto: Even now, porcelain comes out of the garden of the house, as it is natural.

Murata: So, at first I wasn't conscious at all, Naoto Yano pulled the trigger?

Yamamoto: That's a trigger ...

Yano: I'm the trigger (laughs).

Yamamoto: I'm interested in such a piece, about it.Well, of course, I was conscious.But at that time, there was a kiln site that burned Karatsu and early Imari near my house, and every day, what I see suddenly ...The porcelain of the small plate seemed cool.

Murata: From there, I felt like trying to make Karatsu ware.Listening to it, Yano is definitely a trigger (laughs).What about Yano -san?

Yano: It was the first time I was shocked to see the Karatsu exhibition, which was Moji's Idemitsu (museum), which I saw when I was 30 years old.

Murata: Did you study abroad in the United States and came back and studied at school?

Yano: At Arita's pottery school.My father's yakimono ... I was doing Karatsu -yaki based on Karatsu -yaki, and I had the image that Karatsu -yaki would be like this.However, when I first saw the exhibition in Karatsu, I was shocked by a completely different thing ... that was the trigger.

Murata: Both of them are in the 2000s.I started a yakimono.Is it the same about Karatsu?

Yano: Now 2021 ... That's right.

Murata: Mr. Yoshino is a pottery with his father (Yasuyoshi Yoshino).

Yoshino: That's right.

Murata: How is it?Wasn't there anything that seemed to be a rebound for your dad who was close to you and was doing a yakimi?

Yoshino: Yes, there was a rebound.At first there was something like making something completely different.It was a white porcelain or a really white exhibition.But his father started researching soil, which was really interesting.Something like "Karatsu is amazing" soon ... it feels like I went there naturally.

Murata: By the way, there is a kiln site from the Momoyama era a little further deeper than here.

Yoshino: That's right.There was also a kiln site.The pottery is really here, and there's a place like that.

Murata: It's best environmentally.

Yano: Even if you go back, it's dozens of meters.In fact, the person who lived here might have been baking.

Murata: Sure.

Yoshino: When my ancestor may have done a lot of things, I still want to reproduce it.

Murata: Ishii is young, how about?Oh, it's already red!

Ishii: Because I'm quick around alcohol.

Murata: I became Yano's disciple.

Ishii: Yes.When I graduated from high school and was 19 and 20 years old, I went to Mr. Yano to split wood.

Murata: Did you go with interest?Or did you go like a part -time job?

Yano: Explain, when I was a student, I interacted with myself as a senior in Ishii, so why not go?Like.Well, it's a light glue, so it seems like I came to the wooden split.

Ishii: That's really like that.

Murata: But it's now in a living.

Ishii: I can't say that it's up to life.

Murata: Because it was independent.

Ishii: Yes, that's right.People who are interested since I started the pigment ... The opportunity to go to Mr. Yamamoto and Yoshino -san has been around since I was a student, and it is still something like this.What a strange?

Yoshimitsu Sudo, who advocated the "Karatsu Sandae theory", Yasuyoshi Yoshino, who embodied it, Yasumoto Kajiwara.

Murata: These four are the main races of sandstone in Karatsu ware, but there are many potters who make Karatsu ware, but it is not easy clay, so why.Do you do it from the place where you make ceramic clay from sandstone?I want to proceed from a place like that.

Mr. Yoshino, the art Shincho "Karatsu Momoyama Renaissance" was published in 2004?When the Karatsu exhibition was at the Idemitsu Museum of Art in Tokyo, the art Shincho was a special feature linked to the exhibition.In that magazine, some people say that Karatsu was not doing clay, and Yasuyoshi Yoshino or Yasumoto Kajiwara was inspired by them and made pottery with sandstone.I think there is a flow that has come out, but can you tell me about those who proposed to generate ceramics with sandstone?

Yoshino: A person who was selling the pottery of the porcelaine, Yoshiko Sudo (the deceased person), and was familiar with the Korean Peninsula because of the interaction with Korea. He said that he was familiar with the making over there and said, "Karatsu is the same as the Korean Peninsula's potatoes, so ceramics must have been made from stones." Ceramics were generated from pottery stone and made ceramics). His father didn't really believe at first. I thought it would be natural to make it with clay ... I wonder if Karatsu is a clay ... That was another case, Sudo's advice was overturned their common sense ... so I felt like "Let's believe Sudo -san." It may be a lie, but it feels interesting. At that time, there were some things that my father was stuck ... Sudo must have made it with the same technology as a potter from the Korean Peninsula in Hazenoya. You said. It must be so.

Murata: Thinking normally ... Even if you come to a foreign country, you don't do anything different from the manufacturing method that came there.If Mr. Sudo -san was honestly crushed stones on the Korean Peninsula and made pottery clay, wouldn't he do it here?That's natural.

Yoshino: Yeah, it's natural.That made me understand.If you ask for that soft condition so far, it will bake at a low temperature.So, if you do it with clay, it will not be baked.Mold grows.

Murata: Speaking of which, when I first came to Karatsu, I bought Karatsu -yaki's Gi -Pami, but there was a description of "stopped".Before using it, put something like rice joy juice.So, when I went to Hagi before that, the same description was included.

Yoshino: That's right.

Yano: When the technology came in, it was a time when the Korean Peninsula had begun to shift from powdered blue sasa to white porcelain or white porcelain.

Murata: Many people came here from the Korean Peninsula, lived in various places, and began to live to live.At that time, at that time, the material here is the way to do it.

Yoshino: That's right.My father can't get clay in Hazen valley, and there's no clay around here ... but there's a kiln site here ...Oh yeah.

Murata: You said that there was an event that fell on your belly first in Mr. Sudo.Can you talk about it?

Yoshino: My father.The reason I came to trust was the way of burning the kiln, and Mr. Sudo came when the kiln was fired.I was advised about what I had done so far, which was 180 ° reverse, and I did it like "Eikuso!"Then, it was definitely better to do that.

Yano: Did it go well?

Yamamoto: What did it change from what?

Murata: That's right.I want to know that 180 ° conversion!

Yoshino: In the way of burning the kiln, the heat is finally stored.I do that now, but the old kiln will be different.The clay kiln at that time, which was baking Karatsu, is like an aluminum pot.Isn't modern kiln a pressure cooker?I blocked all of them.Is that ok!I was told something like that.So, with Mr. Sudo's advice, Karatsu Karatsu was no good at all, but then it got better.

Murata: At the head of Showa, there was a "resurrection of Karatsu ware", and at that time it was determined that one manufacturing method (made with clay) was determined. In the Showa era, the craftsmen were doing it all the time. In the Heisei era, Mr. Sudo's problem raised, and Mr. Yoshino learned it, and Kajiwara was thrilled. So, I understood that there was a flow that the pottery was made from sandstone. The texture is clearly different when comparing the crouched clay with the fragments of Karatsu. However, if you say that sandstone is burned as a raw material, it will be the same as the old Karatsu. I don't make a pottery, so it's a simple way to make a way that people from the Korean Peninsula made with materials in the Hizen region in the way, and when you look at the potatoes made from sandstone, it's old. I came to think normally that Karatsu was not baked in clay.

Looking at the creators who lead the scene

Yamamoto: Is it a sandstone? The first thing I thought was the Karatsu kiln trace, and I saw Kajiwara's work at some time, saying this was cool.I thought Kajiwara's work was almost the same Karatsu.So, when I checked it, I came out with sandstone ... Then I visited Kajiwara -san and asked me to learn.

Yano: How many times did you go?About three times??(smile)

Yamamoto: More than half a year (laughs).

Yano: How many times in six months??

Murata: Sometimes it comes out, as a topic.

Yoshino: Why?

Murata: You haven't been so much!As a Yano -san's stream (laughs)

Yamamoto: But every time I went, I learned a lot.

Murata: It's not a matter of the number of times.You say how much you concentrate and learn.

Yano: After all, it is important to act.

Yamamoto: It's a precise work.Like a sandstone or crushed.

Murata: Squeeze, take out impurities.Take out the demon plate (iron) ... I will do that alone in the present era.Isn't it a division of labor when I was making Karatsu?There are dozens of people.Now do it all alone.

Yamamoto: What I learned the most is steady work.That's natural.If you don't know, you can bother to make a difficult thing ... you can make pottery with clay, but why do you have to make pottery from sandstone?I think there was such an opinion at the time.

Yano: It's scary to be really common sense.It was common sense to make it with clay.For example, even if you are a junior high school student, you were beaten by a physical education teacher when you were a junior high school student, or when you ran a corridor, the staff was preached while smoking cigarettes.At that time, it was natural ... it is impossible now.

Murata: At that time, I was told not to drink water during exercise (laughs).

Yano: At the beginning of the Showa era, a politician was in a press conference while smoking a cigarette due to an affair problem, and it was like this guy.As an example, common sense changes in 50 years, or 30 years, and if you immerse yourself in common sense, it will be "not that", but it will be 400 years like Karatsu.I can't imagine it anymore.

Murata: I think it was hard when Yoshino (Yasuyoshi) made pottery clay using sandstone and started baking Karatsu. Because some people sell clay. "What are you saying, who is this person?" Well, I'm saying that there is nothing to say. There would have been bashing. I think Kajiwara was the same. Peniting it without blurring, it is now the mainstream. As Yano -san said, the common sense of pottery has changed. After all it is amazing. strength. I think Yasuyoshi Yoshino and Yasumoto Kajiwara are amazing. And ... the fact that these four writers who have been interested in the manufacturing method at an early timing are now pulling the Karatsu ware scene. And everyone is doing porcelain. That's amazing. Originally, people who made porcelain came from the Korean Peninsula to Hizen and created Karatsu ware, but it is wonderful that they are drawing the flow.

Yamamoto: When I speak in the porcelain flow, there is an impressive word that Mr. Kajiwara said."I've finally been able to make ceramics from sandstone and make Karatsu in the years, but it's Arita in Hizen, where I have been doing it all the time."Arita, or rather, is exactly the same as the Karatsu ware process found by Mr. Yoshino and Kajiwara, who crushed the pottery.Water, or something.That's why we are making white porcelain and crushing sandstone.

Yano: The fun of Hizen Ceramics is that there is a series of flow, there is a li dynasty, there is Karatsu, and it becomes Imari.The technique is the same.The material is different.Because the background background at that time is different ... Karatsu has the technology of Lee Dynasty, the material of Karatsu, the Japanese culture, and the design that can be distributed at that time.Karatsu ware is something made after trial and error.After that, a material suitable for white porcelain was found in Izumiyama and the vicinity, and the same technology began with early Imari.

Yamamoto: Karatsu's technology is handed down as Imari's technology.Well, Karatsu declined, and in the Showa era, it revived as a completely different thing from that time.

Yano: Because there is a 400 -year blank.

Murata: The technology was left in Arita, but it disappeared in Karatsu.

Yamamoto: Technology remained in Arita as a white porcelain method, but everyone could not recognize that Karatsu and Imari's manufacturing methods were the same.

Yano: I thought it was porcelain and pottery separately.

Murata: I will return to the story earlier ... Mr. Sudo told me that it was 180 ° different, and Mr. Yoshino (Yasuyoshi) who did it, and tried to make it more of it.There was a person ... Innovation was caused by these three people.When innovation is caused, there will be tremendous rebounds as I said before, and it is only respect for coming without blurring.However, on the other hand, the technology was the one.What about Yano -san?Why did you decide to do it on sandstone?

Yano: I was shocked by seeing the exhibition of the Idemitsu Museum of Art when I was 30 years old.So he entered the Karatsu Research Exchange Meeting ...After all, I felt that Yoshino's dad was making it, and the difference from Kajiwara -san and other artists from the beginning.Aside from the good and bad of the work, I feel the texture "that" from the beginning.

Murata: Because it was like that from the beginning, it would be made with sandstone.Everyone who gathers here is almost sandstone except for orders, and there are also things that are made with clay.I do it according to the requests.

Yano: Yes, it's sandstone. For example, Yoshino (Yasuyoshi) and Kajiwara's work, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, was honestly like "Yeah, what is it?" But we had information thanks to the subsequent generations ... the first generation Yoshino (Yasuyoshi) and Kajiwara. And now, there are many options like "I'll do porcelain" now. If you want to order various things in the times, you can order it. I guess the options of what you want to make are expanding ... so I do porcelain and do a lot of things. In such days, I feel that the percentage of the desire to make Karatsu ware is increasing rapidly. What I want to do in myself is "Karatsu ware".

Murata: The options have expanded.But, well, I did a lot of things, but it became Karatsu.

Yano: I like Karatsu, or I like Karatsu, so I want to make a good Karatsu.

Murata: Ishii -san, what I want to do most is Karatsu and the teacher Yano -san.

Ishii: Yes, I've been taking care of my teacher for four years. Ai Karatsu is stronger for those who are from Karatsu who are from Karatsu -yaki. Because I and other prefectures are from me, I have a longing for cool and cool food. Ai Karatsu is the first, not Karatsu ware. The first is Karatsu ware ... Karatsu ware is cool. My father was doing white porcelain, and because of its influence, I came to Arita to study Yakimono, but in modern Arita, there was no white porcelain, so I came to Karatsu ... but at first Karatsu ware. I don't know the charm of. It's vague and cool, I'm only thinking about making it. Under such circumstances, the work that the Yano generation and the generations of the forties are doing now was cool. In addition, the fragments seen at the kiln ruins are attractive ... I want to be a person who can make such things, so I strongly sprout and I want to get closer to the pottery. When I thought so, I couldn't get closer unless I had knowledge of the material ... Mr. Yano was the one who let me do it.

Murata: Mr. Ishii overlapped various coincidences and met Yano -san, and the vague things had a clear outline ... so Yahoo auction hell (laughs).If I was happy to drink the old Karatsu I just bought, the Karatsu jumped out of the bag and broke ... (laughs).

Ishii: That's right.In a sense, it was mad.

Yano: There is nothing strange!I can't help feeling it.Ishii was numb in Karatsu.

Murata: When Yano also met, he felt old or not interested.The study session for the Karatsu Research Exchange Meeting was here ...I thought it was a type of buying Karatsu myself.

Yano: The trigger is Murata's responsibility (laughs).After all, it's really numb in Karatsu.I was transmitted to Murata's liking, and I was infected with it.It's already normal.

Murata: How is it?Yamamoto -san, are you looking at this kind of feeling?When.Yamamoto -san, hey, he makes an old thing while watching it properly, making his own worldview, but there aren't many places to collect.

Yamamoto: Yes.

Yano: No, maybe there is.

Yamamoto: Well, not really.What I think is interesting is where the "thinking" changes.If you try to know the pigment, there is a description that says "there are pottery and porcelain".But this old Karatsu can't be explained.In addition, I was very interested in the moment when it was classified as the porcelain and porcelain in the Meiji era to turn it upside down, or the conversion of its values.It's a "thinking" rather than a "thing".

Murata: I think it was amazing to make it with sandstone when it comes to the current values, but everyone is doing it now.

Yamamoto: That's right.So Karatsu is from sandstone.

Murata: Also, my seniors made the road, so I was able to walk.

Yano: I still feel the air that can not be said to be the common sense of a pottery from the sandstone.What I feel in myself is "it was made of sandstone."

Murata: I could see that the original manufacturing method of Karatsu ware was a ceramic clay generated from sandstone.But what is the Karatsu ware's craftsman can't shake off the sandstone?

Yano: It's common sense, common sense.

Yamamoto: That's why I have a different idea.Probably, the writer who is doing clay is already known that "Karatsu is sandstone" ... but "Is it clay in my style?"In other words, they are aware of sandstone and clay and choose themselves.I'm talking to the writers and I feel like that.

Murata: I see.Also, the process from sandstone to ceramic clay is difficult ...I think there are times when you can spend your efforts, or whether you can invest in infrastructure.It's hard to crush sandstone normally.

Yano: I have been accumulating common sense for many years ... and I think that there are many options because of the longing for seniors who played an active part in Showa.There's nothing at all, "It's good to use sandstone, it's no good because it's clay."However, it is difficult to invest in the infrastructure, but if you want to do it seriously, you can do it.That's why Karatsu is about to be numb.I want to know if I really like it.

Murata: I want to go to the kiln site. Confirm what you want to know on the desk and check it locally. As Yoshino and Kajiwara said, there are always rivers on both sides of the kiln. I needed water in the kiln. And the place where the kiln was built was also easy to imagine that the kiln was rising in a sloping tongue hill. You know that the seniors are a little wrong. The story is back, but Yoshino (Yasuyoshi) and Kajiwara have faced each other. I think it was quite difficult to get an understanding. So, did Yamamoto, Yano, and Yoshino have been told by others that they are doing the sandstone?

Yano / Yamamoto / Yoshino: I don't say so much.

Yoshino: Let me talk a little.The story of Karatsu.Somehow, my father was doing Karatsu, but I didn't like it before doing it with sandstone.I thought it was honest.The craftsmen who make Karatsu ware make Picture Karatsu, but I think it's really crazy.

Murata: At the beginning, I was fascinated by Karatsu, spots and catchy things.

Yoshino: That's right.That's why I thought I couldn't do Karatsu.Then his father made Karatsu ware with sandstone.While baking and looking at Ekatsu, which came out of the kiln, I came to think, "It's good."After such an experience, Karatsu -yaki is Karatsu.

Yano: Karatsu ware is also Karatsu (laughs).

Murata: Hahaha.Well, when I set up the story so far ... there are ancestors, and there are many things, and if you gather here, if you make white porcelain without stress, you will also do pottery Karatsu.I think there are many things I want to do.In the future, how do you want to do it when expressing yourself in the Karatsu ware field?For example, Mr. Yamamoto?Mr. Yamamoto is doing both Karatsu and white porcelain.How do you want to do it in Karatsu ware?

Yamamoto: I think the stance is the most different.As I mentioned earlier, there is always a goal of eliminating the border between ceramics and porcelain in the way of thinking.The two kiln sites around my home, Tenjin Forest, baked pottery and porcelain together.Even if you look at the pottery, this is sandstone and this is a pottery stone, but almost the same.Because of that kind of environment, what is Karatsu ware?Not a frame ...

Murata: Mr. Yamamoto's work is not only evaluated by Karatsu, but also white porcelain is much more evaluated in the craft area.When I go to a select shop in Tokyo, the work is a classic without the "Ryohei Yamamoto Exhibition" ... so I think it's a good idea.Because they are in my head in me, I can understand the way of thinking that Mr. Yamamoto is not even aware of the borderless borderless.Yano -san rushes to it!(smile).

Yano: I want to say, after all.I am from Karatsu.Grew up in the countryside, Ryohei grew up in Tokyo, felt, felt, and went to an art university.In making things, each person has a lot of things, and I have to do it.So, in the sense that Ryohei creates things, is it the same as yourself?There are some different parts.

Murata: That's natural.After all, it's a creator who creates things, so everyone doesn't come together.So, Ishii -san.What about?I've seen these seniors ... Oh, it's been a lot of work (laughs).

Ishii: I'm drinking while listening to my seniors now.

Each vision

Murata: How do you want to express yourself in the future?On the side of Karatsu -yaki.However, like Mr. Yamamoto, Karatsu ware has nothing to do with it.How do you come to yourself, including what you want to do while involved, while putting in that borderless?

Ishii: I'm not yet solid, and it's developing.Looking around the father of the pottery, there is Shigaraki ware in Kanto.Some people are doing well, but I feel that it is difficult for me to understand it.

Murata: If the infrastructure is prepared, you can express yourself further.So, what do you want to express through the Filter "Yoshihisa Ishii" in the frame of Karatsu -yaki in the future?

Ishii: No matter how you go, it's different in common sense in the environment where you were born and raised.I'm learning, and at first it seems like anyone's work is similar.If you repeat what you want to do, I think the evaluation will inevitably change.Now, I just say "do what I want to do" is a priority.It is clumsy to do this, such as being able to do that, expressing yourself, or being able to understand it, because it is clumsy.Now, I give priority to what I want to do and keep expressing myself.

Murata: Is it possible to see something as you can see what you can see through the filter of Ishii's Karatsu -yaki?

Ishii: I want to express myself, rather than do what I want to do.

Murata: What about Mr. Yoshino?In a sense, there is a father who made the priming agent, living near the old kiln ruins, being made of ceramics ... What is your future yourself through the filter of Karatsu -yaki?

Yoshino: Here in Hazenoya, there were people who had baked potatoes in the past.I have a material around here, and I have the feeling of whether it can be completed with this valley alone ... I make a lot of material from sandstone, trees, straw, etc. from this valley.I think that I think that it is a real thing that I think is a real thing that I think is a real agricultural product that was taken here.Here you can get dark soil and whitish soil.That's why I try it in Mishima ... I don't know what kind of expression it will be.

Murata: I see!it is fun.

Yoshino: I can never do it.I wonder if someone can do something that someone can't do.After all, it's not your own power ... so to speak, it's the power of this land.

Yamamoto: I can't nod that the power of the land, not my own power.

Murata: Among this member, Mr. Yoshino and Yano have an easy -to -understand history.Yoshino is a descendant of those who came here more than 400 years ago.I have a great story.So, if the goal is to make a yaki in this valley, it will fall off.Both I and Mr. Yamamoto, Mr. Ishii, came from Tokyo, so to speak, Stranger.Because I come from a different place, I myself really yearn for Yoshino and Yano -san.

Yoshino: No, no, the speed of making Yamamoto's kiln, and it's something you can't do unless you're from another person!What do you think?I was a little surprised.

Murata: What about Yano -san?How do you want to go with the Karatsu ware filter?I talked about the power of the land, but one of the people who spread Karatsu ware, Terasawa Hirotaka, the Sengoku daimyo, set up the role of Bunroku and Keicho ... there is a house and a kiln.right.

Yano: The site is just there.What do you want to do?If you say, I want to make Karatsu.What is Karatsu?Speaking of which, it's a traditional craft.I don't think traditional crafts will be established without a style, so when it comes to Karatsu ware in that style, there is only a standard for "Karatsu".If you bring out an individual, it will be anything, anything.I'm born in Karatsu and like Karatsu, so I'm not interested in "seeking myself".That's true, it's true that I'm doing it, but the center of my heart is ... I don't have any interest anymore.I'm only interested in "Karatsu ware".I'm not interested in Naoto Yano.

Murata: Isn't it possible to break through while doing what everyone wants to do in the "Karatsu frame"?Is it like that?You are a creator.

Yamamoto: Speaking of the Karatsu frame, for the "structure", "copying" and "Oku Koryu", which are always said to pottery in general, such as the old Karatsu -related words that appear frequently.I am interested in checking what will happen one by one.That's why I made a soil climbing kiln.I am interested in inside and outside the consciousness.

Yano: What do you think Yamamoto thinks about Oku Koryo?

Yamamoto: Okukari says that he baked behind the kiln, but he decides where to put it as a act and bake it.If you go to a sweet cousin with a direct placement, it will be a very soft finish.

Murata: Probably, at first it was completely random.The teaman picked it up.In the next phase, as an order, "bake this kind of thing".So it was random at first, but after that, the premise of selling it came in and the act was added.A person who played the Momoyama culture at that time came to Karatsu.

Yamamoto: Because it's not a random thing.It is natural to gradually work.

Murata: I would like to enter a summary, but the original manufacturing method ... I carry a story with a sandstone, everyone, everyone, everyone.Ishii -san, next generation leader!

Ishii: No, no, no more.I'm always at the bottom.I thought this was just right.However, those who have been making ceramics and trained in a restaurant with age are independent with age, and people who are interested in vessels can talk with age.Do you feel that it has increased?

Murata: Yano's disciple, Kurita -san?

Ishii: Not so ...In other fields, for example, let's collect vessels to use when you are a young chef at the time of my exhibition, such as the disciples of a restaurant who came to buy a bowl at Mr. Yamamoto to buy a bowl.I thought, and people like that came to see me ... everyone was young ... When I was a student or in my early 20s when I was a disciple, no one could talk to the vessel.However, now after 30, I feel that more and more people can have a conversation like "this kind of vessel, cool."There is a feeling that the number of people who can share it over time is increasing.

Murata: The means of spreading sharing, including SNS, is expanding, making it easier to do.On the other hand.The creators are not very using SNS.

Ishii: Unfortunately, that's right.

Murata: Isn't Mr. Ishii the middle generation in the middle of SNS?His own Instagram has not been updated at all (laughs).But that's what I was saying, "I'll do what I like."It fits perfectly.It's okay if you do Instagram only when you like it.But I sometimes think that if you are conscious, it will change more.

Ishii: Yes, little by little.I always feel like trying to do my best (laughs).

Hasami Yaki's success / branding

Murata: De ... Isn't Hasami ware receiving?In the world.Certainly wonderful.After all, it's a good thing with a story.Arita has horizontal, Takeo, and Imari.I think you can do various things, but what about?Looking at Hasami, it's a brand in Tokyo, Hasami.Conscious people buy Hasami.What do you want to go in the future, including such a place?Do you have any specific Yamamoto -san?I live next to Hasami.

Yamamoto: Hasami is Hasami ... I live in Arita, but the pottery in the nearby kiln is almost miscellaneous.When it comes to pottery dishes, it's simple, rugged and cool that can be incorporated into your current life.Well, on the other hand, there is a possibility that it can be established as a brand, but I am interested in the possibility of old Karatsu who can enter as it is.

Yano: But even if you say that Tenjin Mori is a small item, and you're going to live in your current life, it's not something that you are interested in, and it doesn't fit your current people.

Yamamoto: If you don't need to enter a wide width with a fallen porcelain, it's not old tea pottery or masterpieces, right?

Yano: So, what Ryohei wants to say is that he says that he is in his current life, but it is the same as in the past and not the same.Both masterpieces and miscellaneous tracts are only part.

Yamamoto: However, tea pottery Karatsu will be assumed to be a limited tea room or a limited space.It's like a tea world.

Murata: If you start talking about it, it won't stop (laughs).Well, it's a miscellaneous device.In fashion, denim and chinos are originally workware.Robust.It seems to be a miscellaneous organs in Karatsu.Both denim and chinos are rooted in everyday life.I can really understand what Yamamoto says because I think that way.

Yamamoto: I think Karatsu in Showa was branded with tea pottery, but most of the Karatsu are mostly miscellaneous.I guess it's more than 90 % of it.

Murata: It's a mistress we like (laughs).

Yamamoto: Karatsu's mystery is that it is a miscellaneous organs that is worth the goodness of tea or the goodness of itself.Is that attractive?

Yano: What is it?

Murata: After all, Karatsu doesn't know the manufacturing method, so what is it?But I've been able to understand a lot, Yoshino's father, Sudo -san, and Kajiwara -san.What should Yoshino, Yano and Ishii do?Mr. Yamamoto is going to take root in his everyday life, so it would be a miscellaneous.Mortgers are keywords.I think so.

Yoshino: Yes, Karatsu is a mistress!

Murata: Karatsu is a miscellaneous device ... how to put it into branding ...

Yano: Karatsu, Karatsu, and Karatsu are also Karatsu.The keyword is neither a miscellaneous or a masterpiece.The keyword is "Karatsu".

Yoshino: Isn't it "carat"?(smile).

Yano: After all, I like the texture of Karatsu.

Yano: Somehow.Is Karatsu a pottery in the dawn?

Murata: Mr. Yano is already drunk (laughs) ... I've been drinking with pottery from a while ago.

Yano: You can drink this, this is really big.Even though it is a piece of pottery, I want one skin whale for less than 1 cm.After all, I yearn.

Yoshino: I thought that Kajiwara was saying so."Karatsu is the same as a stone rolling around that, so it doesn't appeal to the exhibition or such a solo exhibition, but if you look closely and keep it at your own hand, it will be very cute."hand.Karatsu is well.

Yano: But, some of the conscious guys are appealing.Korean Karatsu.

Murata: Somehow, everyone says bad about Korea Karatsu.Because it's catchy.

Yoshino: I'll make it, I'll make it.

Murata: It's cool.Sometimes there is a good virtue, and it's a deadline.But that kind of guy is almost an oil value.So, when you say branding ... How about Ishii -san?

Karatsu that is not organized

Ishii: If you compare it with Hasami, Karatsu is not all together.It's both an advantage and a weakness, but Karatsu doesn't come together.

Murata: It's time!

Ishii: I have lived in Hasami, and the craftsmen in the area feel that everyone was aware that they could not eat without branding themselves.I was.Arita, the neighboring town, says, "Speaking of Arita ware, there are people who buy without questions and answers."Hasami was not the second place of Arita, but was regarded as "cheap".Hasami was strongly conscious of trying to focus on a fashionable layer.Now, I don't know how Hasami is evaluated in Kanto, but when I lived in Hasami, I was strongly conscious of the target.For example, "HASAMI in Roman letters" or "Hasami" in kanji.

Murata: It's important to be organized.That "team feeling" is important.Well, from the outside, Mr. Ishii from Tokyo says that Karatsu is different.

Ishii: Yes.

Murata: Is the importance of being united in one thing, is it important now?

Ishii: Can I put soccer on an analogy?Karatsu is not Brazil, but the artist is the type in which the artist does his own skills.Rather than saying, "I will bring Karatsu ware in a good one with teamwork," everyone has a surviving personal skill.It is also interpreted for sandstone, interpretation for clay, and interpretation like burning in a kiln.In various patterns, everyone has something that they believe.It is very strong compared to Hasami, Arita, and other ceramics.

Murata: That's what I mean ... If one leader comes out, everything can be won in the team?I think it's a very innovative opinion.Karatsu is an area where the "individual" stands out very much, and Ishii has a real experience that Hasami has won.It's the same area, it's Hizen.I feel like there is something there, but what do you think of Mr. Yano?

Yano: It's not a continuation of Ishii's story, but when you look at various seniors and those who played in the Showa era, Karatsu seems to be hot.He has many thoughts.

Murata: If you have a strong thought, there are places where you sometimes avoid incompatible people.Often hit.It's so powerful that there is so much power and there is potential.Who is the 4th batter and who is the forward?

Ishii: Karatsu doesn't need to be organized.Including restaurants, Karatsu loves personal skills, and there are so many high -quality people in Karatsu who can argue for Tokyo people.Even if you are a liquor store or a smoked shop, including eating and drinking, it is a level where everyone can argue that person.When I went to the ceramic area, I think there are very few locations that can be argued from the restaurant.

Murata: I always think.Karatsu is blessed.I'm too blessed and I can't choose too much.It is both Imari and Arita.

Yamamoto: I don't think it's necessary to get together.That ... I'm going to do it only on this land like Mr. Yoshino.

Murata: Shouldn't it be possible to put it together at key points?

Yamamoto: I'm Arita, the people of Karatsu (laughs).Looking from the end, its personality is wonderful.

Murata: Yes, that's the creation of Mr. Sudo, he created Yoshino -san, and Kajiwara -san, and his followers are here.That's a great understanding.So what do you think of Mr. Yano after hearing such an opinion?

Yano: We are ... Kajiwara -san, including Mr. Yoshino, and Karatsu ... Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Ms. Rear Car and sells a bowl, (Nishioka) Koju, (Nishioka), (Nishioka). Nakagawa) There is a natural boy, there is Maruta (Munehiko), there is (Kawakami) Kiyomi (Nishioka) Ryohiro comes out, and various people come out, and there is something that can be done. The accumulation of seniors. What to do now is good to have each opinion, and whatever you do. I'm grateful to be able to live with a yakimoto, and I have to work hard to think that I have to do it now and connect to the next generation. You can do it with that individual power, or another step, it's not Momoyama's reconstruction, but you can work hard on that.

Murata: It's a diversity world, so don't criticize even if you don't do it ... everyone can do it as you like.But my thoughts are still spreading things like "This yakimi is cool, good, it fits in my everyday life."Isn't there the air that says "this is different" or "you can't have it"?Does that mean you lose it?Is it a "loose team feeling"?

Ishii: Isn't it a Brazil after all?Is that South American glue?

Yoshino: I don't know anything at all, but even if it's a personal play system.

Murata: Hazonoya ... It started here.Karatsu ware is made of sandstone.

Yoshino: In the modern age, how to make use of the Karatsu ware is that Karatsu is too strong.Conversely, on the contrary, I wonder if everyone is not aware of it, as it is an inorganic, modern apartment, that it may actually fit perfectly.

Sending information that gives value -the importance of communicating

Murata: The content has a times, but if you don't notice it, in other words ... I haven't yet spread it, I see.

Yoshino: It's really an antique meaning that there is something in a very simple place where there is nothing, but everyone is not aware of that good.

Murata: To notice.Things are good.All you have to know is to spread cognitive and penetrate.

Yoshino: Yeah, make more things that I think is cool in such a place.I want to do that.

Murata: And when you listen to your story now, it seems like you can do it in the near future.

Yamamoto: I feel so.I thought so too.Karatsu is right for the present era ... I think so.

Murata: In fact, I don't think it's suitable for those who live in an apartment.

Yano: It doesn't fit or doesn't fit ... what is it?

Murata: Is it comfortable?

Yoshino: Each person does not fit or not, but you have to connect it to the purchase.In that sense, it is necessary to get such a thing to notice.

Yano: You can go everywhere, Karatsu.

Yoshino: Although it goes well in such a place.

Yano: Karatsu is wide, some are solid, some are miscellaneous, and the width of enjoying is wide.

Yamamoto: It's a very important keyword that doesn't fit.

Murata: Then, Karatsu is a times of times.One of the conclusions of today is that it is most important to know that?

Yamamoto: You can't tell if there is no "person who tells".

Murata: Now there is a way to convey it, and we will operate it well.Because things are good.If there are three things: "Loose team feeling", "do what you want to do", and "telling them properly", the four artists who gathered today will "spread the goodness of Karatsu further."I'm sorry.

Yano: That's right.yes.I'll tell ... I have to tell you.I like Karatsu.

(Configuration ・ Masatoshi Bunmura, Masatoshi Mura, Yasuta Nakai, Keiko Yoshino)

作陶家プロフィール

Yoshihisa Ishii, Yoshihisa Yoshihisa Kiln Kiln, 1989 Born in Hachioji City, Tokyo 2012 Graduated from Saga Prefectural Juda Ceramics University 2013, USA Pennsylvania and Mexico Wandering 2014 Naoto Yano Karatsu Naoto 2018 Independent in Karatsu Sachi

Naoto Yano, Tonoyama Kiln Kiln 1976 Born in Karatsu City, Saga Prefecture 1994-98 Studying abroad in the United States 2002 Graduated from Saga Prefectural Arita Ceremony University 2003 Saga Prefectural Juda Ceramics University Acqualed Lecturer in Korea 2008Park for half a year 2015 % bamboo climbing kiln construction kiln

Ryohei Yamamoto (Ryohei Yamamoto) Kiln Kiln Kiln Kiln Kiln Kiln 1972 Born in Tokyo 1998 Graduated from Tama Art University Painting Department 2000 Arita Cerilin University Short -term Training 2006 Independent in Arita -cho 2019

Keiko Yoshino, Haze no Tani Kiln Kiln Kiln Kiln, 1972 Born in Imari City, Saga Prefecture 1996 Under the Hazenoya Kiln, trained in the Hazenoya kiln 2003 Arita Ceremony College.Learn technology 2013 Hazenoya Kiln owner

Murata Masatoshi was born in Machida City, Tokyo in 1966.He produces regional revitalization projects in various places that utilize videos and music as the director of Pony Canyon Area Alliance.He is fascinated by the culture of Karatsu and Saga, and is transmitting its charm through WEB, magazines, newspapers, etc.He belongs to the Karatsu Research Exchange Meeting.He lives in Setagaya Ward.

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